Effectively, the time has come. The Rollback is on its manner. With a lot misinformation surrounding the USGA’s announcement this …
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Effectively, the time has come. The Rollback is on its manner. With a lot misinformation surrounding the USGA’s announcement this …
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Bifurcation was shot down by the manufacturers. They did not want to research and make a ball with no commercial value. Going back to the Pre – ProV1 ball? Maybe. But maybe just an earlier version of the ProV1. Tony has the data. If a Pinnacle Soft is borderline how much longer is a present day ProV1. Essentially the USGA is doing the equivalent of combating rising ocean levels by going to the beach with a 5 gallon bucket and taking a bucket full out of the ocean. Bifurcation makes sense but not to the equipment makers and that is the hang up. It means zero to me and quite frankly to the average 15 handicap they would not notice unless you told them. How many times have players commented that they found this "soft" golf ball and when they hit it they gained 20 yards? Tony does the tests and he knows that is wrong but he had to show the numbers because there are people still who believe they hit a Pinnacle Soft farther than a Pro V1.
Hey Tony!!
No ball waging comments now that Rahm is going to LIV? đ€Ł
"Soft is Slow…and Legal" !
I bet the ball manufacturers keep making the same mid and low-compression balls that I like. They'll either be conforming or they'll just have a little sticker that says they're not. No pro is playing TaylorMade Tour Response or Vice ProSoft in tournaments anyway, so who cares if they're legal?
Idk why golf doesnât do a retro tournament. Older balls, fairway woods, steel shafts. Youâll find out who can really play
Itâs all Roryâs fault. A little puppet bitch for PGA. Now look people jumping ship to LIV Golf. Fraudulent ass fools in pga flopped to LIV. Shit is ass backwards.
Itâs all Roryâs fault. A little puppet bitch for PGA. Now look people jumping ship to LIV Golf. Fraudulent ass fools in pga flopped to LIV. Shit is ass backwards.
I really don't understand the reluctance people have against the ball roll back. The way I explain it is with a baseball analogy. If the baseball manufacturer kept improving the ball to the point that every batter could hit a home run then the current stadiums would become obsolete and newer stadiums with bigger out fields would be needed. Who wants to see home run after home run?? It doesn't have the same awe and spectacle that it once had. So what would you expect the MLB to do?? Make stadium owners build bigger outfields (stadiums are in suburban areas with next to no room for expansion) at a huge expense to them (they had no say in making the ball easier to hit further) or make the baseball manufacturer roll the ball back so the MLB can keep using the same stadiums??
For Pro's it will allow course superintendents able to toughen up the course as most hazards are already around that 280 to 320 yard mark. What people want to see is Pro's having to show their skills during tournament play.
For Amateurs it will just mean that club competitions can be played from a tee box a little further forward than they are currently played.
Long hitters will still be long hitters, great iron players will still be great iron players. Birdies will be harder to get and hopefully we will stop seeing players hitting 8 irons into par 5's making eagles much more of the spectacle that they should be. I am all for it.
I donât give a crap about the USGA or R&A. I just play golf for my enjoyment. I drive the ball 170 to 210 yards. I certainly donât want to use a ball that sacrifices distance. These elitist are going to severely damage the game. They donât represent me in any way.
Public golfers will NOT abide by the rollback and will give golf elites the proverbial middle finger. Let the pros play the yellow range balls, that should be great tv viewing.
My kids donât remember their scores, they remember the long bomb, the chip in on 7 and the hero putt on 18.
Fortunately, LIV will be forced to create its own ruling body, that should put the coffin in the PGA, RNA and USGA. LIV will make GOLF FUN AGAIN!
This decision is non-sensical at best. Choose to affect the ball which is the highest volume golf product requiring significant process control, product design, âfeelâ characteristics, etc as opposed to reducing the size of the bat for the ~10K Elite players! Reduce the driver head size to <350cc and swing speeds will come down or the Pros will be looking for their ball in the next countyâŠ..except for maybe the best 50 players in the worldâŠ.so be it! Talent or hard work, good for them!
Stock up on balls now folks. We can all give the flying middle finger to the usga by playing our old balls. Time to revolt! Tony, sell those FUSGA hats. Money maker.
The vast majority obviously do not want this golf ball roll back. Can everyone including manufacturers not fight against this? One way I think honestly, donât support the US Open or the Open in the upcoming years. Hurt them in their bank accounts.
Why do we continue to pay money to USGA?
Wow, Tony is really passionate about this! Glad to hear Tony is for the bifurcation side of it; i was thinking he wasn't for any rollback in any form (personally i'm for bifurcation myself). Professional golf is so intertwined with the manufacturers that just because the USGA and/or the R&A are for this, i firmly believe this isn't the "done deal" everyone is making it out to be, fwiw.
But playing devil's advocate here, IF it knocks everyone back a couple of yards, what's really the big deal for the non-professionals and elite amateurs? It's really meaningless overall for probably 98% of amateur golfers in America. The new golfers that just got in the game are likely years away from reaching their full potential anyway (golf is hard, with a very steep learning curve). Senior golfers have had to deal with with their own individual "natural rollback" as long as golf has been around. I like hitting the long ball as much as anyone, but i can remember when 250 yards was a long ball for an amateur. It's all relative.
When you've got guys like Jack Nicklaus (who i believe is looking at this angle from a course designer's point of view), and it's his opinion that the ball is the primary problem, i can understand why the powers-that-be are focusing on that.
Maybe this will be Taylormade new marketing ⊠â15 yards less garonteedd â
What would happen if âALLâ golf ball manufacturers told the USGA that they are not changing anything. And the PGA ,DP Tour and LIV golf said they are not going to abide by the Golfball Rollback.đ€
Love the hat. Explain to me how the @%#$ they are going to get the old non-conforming balls out of circulation?
So something I find kind of funny about this. As technology improves with the clubs, will we not be right back where we are now for distance of a golf ball? Every company talks about how their driver hits the ball father.
While I do find the FUsga hat funny… for a lot of reasons. The rollback is not one of them. For the first time, it's not the USGA that is the problem. It's the manufactures that are the problem. The USGA offered to do this with bifurcation, allowing us recereational and amature golfers to not be affected. But "who is going to buy the shorter ball?" I sure as hell am not. And I'm 100% positive no one reading this would either. That leaves only PGA Professionals competing… are they going to buy the golf ball? When do you think was the last time Tiger or Rory or Justin bought golf balls. ::cough cough:: NEVER… they are sponsored.. duh! So if recreational and armature golfers are buying the "regular" ball, and professionals are being given the "shorter" ball (though sponsorships) then who buys the shorter ball? NOT A DAMN SOUL… Manufactures know this.. so since they love money more than they love golf….. The MANUFACTURERS decided to say no to the USGA bifurcation offer and would rather stick all of us weekend hackers with the shorter ball because in the words of LIV players….. "Money talks!"
What if LIV decided to not adopt the new ball rule.
fuck the usga
I second the idea of getting Dean Snell back. This has to be driving him nuts.
I'm ready for a new type of golf products from what I would call "No Limits Golf, Inc." Tell the R&A and USGA that normal people don't need them and they can go pound sand. I'm pretty sure that the big companies with research budgets already know how to build the longest ball (and even longer and easier-to-hit drivers and irons) possible. Just take the shackles off and let 'em go do it. And we'll just buy the stuff and play it without paying any more attention to the morons who think they know best about what we need as golfers.
As they have been saying. A solution looking for a problem. Turn a multi billion dollar global industry to solve a problem for a handful of golfers on a handful of golf holes in Major Tournaments. Wonât change a thing at the elite level that will change is those players will just swing faster and hit it the same distance. All it will do it provide greater benefits to those with faster swing speeds who go out and do the full time training that is required to maintain a 125mph driver clubhead speed! đ€Șđ€Șđ€Ș
Correct, there is a lot of misinformation about the golf ball rollback. Unfortunately you guys have cleared this up with mere speculation. Very poor attempt at clarity, you can do better.
Qualitative Imaging? QI?
Great point on the roolback for golfers such as myself. As a 54 y/o one-armed golfer with aroound a 70 mph swing speed who plays from the most forward tee boxes I'm lucky to reach the green with a chance for birdie as-is. Rolling back the golf ball would just unnecessariily make it more difficult.
The sky is not falling. The USGA is simply updating their testing process which will mean a change needs to be made to equipment. The R&A adopted the American sized golf ball in 1990 which should have been a big deal to European golfers. Its some 30 years since then and people are still playing golf in Europe. The USGA is changing the specs on golf balls and it will not affect the popularity of golf going into the future. The sky is not falling.
The difference between elite, pro and amateur is huge. As an amateur would it really make a difference to me? Pros and elite practice/train everyday, eat live and breathe the game. Club golfers practice once a week if lucky
Isn't the natural outcome of the rollback that we have a 2-market ball universe: conforming balls and non-conforming balls?
Only the pros really need to worry about whether their ball conforms or not as it is likely to be scrutinised. Even then, the tournament organisers could just say âscrew the R&A and USGA, weâre allowing the old ballsâ. Am eagerly waiting to see LIVâs response as I am hoping that will be it.
Social golfers don't have to worry at all whether their ball, or equipment in general, conforms or not.
In most club comps you can probably get away with playing with a non-conforming ball: it is unlikely that the club will police ball conformity. Being dobbed in by a playing partner is the only thing you have to worry about and then the other player would have to know which ball brand and models are conforming and non-conforming, which isn't that likely.
For ball manufacturers this will be a win as they can continue with their current balls and market them to golfers happy to use non-conforming balls. They then come up with conforming balls, likely just variants of their current stuff. They could even hike the prices on non-conforming balls as the alternative is to use a worse, conforming ball.
There's already non-conforming balls out there, e.g. MG, Polara, so this market already exists. This move will just make that market bigger. The thing to remember that in this context âillegalâ doesnât mean youâll be arrested for using it just means that (in theory) you canât use it in tournaments.
Guess you gotta swing 3mph faster to counteract the rollback. đ đ đ đ đ đ
I will have a few hundred dozen stocked away by that point ,,,not changing anything.
More current balls meet the coming standard than you state.
So- let amateurs keep playing what is now available and make a new ball for the Pros. Just name it Callaway Professional Rollback Ball or Taylormade Professional Rollback Ball or Titlelist Rollback ball and donât sell them to the public or price them at $500 a sleeve.
Can't wait to start gaming the Pinnacle Soft WTF!
I don't know what kind of fitters you guys are using, every fitter I have been to tells me that I need to play a limited flight ball because flying 230-250 is a distance problem that all of us Amateurs face (yes, sarcasm). This entire topic is a pile of… Crazy days.
The problem with "unfair advantage" especially with things like the anchor ban and balls there is NO "unfair advantage" because anyone can use the same method or equipment, it is all on your physical ability to employ the potential of the equipment or method; that isn't fair, it is just life.
Fools make foolish decisions! I will not comply! Seems like equity has taken over the decisioning body!